10/27/2011 8:29:30 PM
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I think just might think twice about wearing six inch stiletto heals to the office if I were one of the three complainants that are now attempting to make the case that the City has besmirched my reputation. Well, may be she did think twice and decided it is a good idea.
Earth to CP, it isn't all that good an idea.
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10/27/2011 9:05:50 PM
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I was wondering if I was the only one to think that same thought.
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10/28/2011 10:22:09 AM
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I think just might think twice about wearing six inch stiletto heals to the office if I were one of the three complainants that are now attempting to make the case that the City has besmirched my reputation. Well, may be she did think twice and decided it is a good idea.
Earth to CP, it isn't all that good an idea.
BUT WHEN SHE WEARS HER PADDED BRA, HIGH HEELS, AND PUTS SOME EXTRA EFFORT INTO HER HAIR AND FACE, SHE IS DOABLE, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS DOING MONTY, AND PAUL, AND ETC AND ETC AND ETC.
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11/15/2011 8:21:47 PM
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I think just might think twice about wearing six inch stiletto heals to the office if I were one of the three complainants that are now attempting to make the case that the City has besmirched my reputation. Well, may be she did think twice and decided it is a good idea.
Earth to CP, it isn't all that good an idea.
I've never seen her in stilettos, but I have also seen her pad her bra trying to make the little twins looks like big boys.
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11/16/2011 9:21:01 PM
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You guys think you are so great I work with manwhores. The entire department is filled with men who cheat on their wives all the time. Should I start naming names? What a double standard. I guess I shouldn't call you men because you are a bunch of pansies.
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11/17/2011 10:01:06 AM
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You guys think you are so great I work with manwhores. The entire department is filled with men who cheat on their wives all the time. Should I start naming names? What a double standard. I guess I shouldn't call you men because you are a bunch of pansies.
Agreed. This CP bashing is getting tiresome and reminds one of the saying “let he who has no sin cast the first stone”….
The point has been adequately made on this board and elsewhere that there are some very big problems at Renton City Hall and within the RPD regarding personal integrity, morality, honor, etc. Too bad folks don’t take their vows and commitments (both personally and professionally) seriously anymore. As has been stated before, if the City of Renton spent half as much time dealing in a wise, fair and professional manner with their internal problems instead of spending the citizens money playing the victim and chasing after those they think have exposed their misuse of taxpayer money, we would all be better off. Ah, but I am dreaming again…..
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11/17/2011 9:14:52 PM
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You guys think you are so great I work with manwhores. The entire department is filled with men who cheat on their wives all the time. Should I start naming names? What a double standard. I guess I shouldn't call you men because you are a bunch of pansies. Agreed. This CP bashing is getting tiresome and reminds one of the saying “let he who has no sin cast the first stone”…. The point has been adequately made on this board and elsewhere that there are some very big problems at Renton City Hall and within the RPD regarding personal integrity, morality, honor, etc. Too bad folks don’t take their vows and commitments (both personally and professionally) seriously anymore. As has been stated before, if the City of Renton spent half as much time dealing in a wise, fair and professional manner with their internal problems instead of spending the citizens money playing the victim and chasing after those they think have exposed their misuse of taxpayer money, we would all be better off. Ah, but I am dreaming again…..
Agreed, and it is that way because this Administration not only tolerates it, it is a way of life under Law. "wise, fair and professional," ti would be a huge step up if employees were even treated with a modicum of respect. You cannot find one employee in ten that trusts the City's HR department. That is saying something.
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11/18/2011 3:34:11 PM
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THIS ENTIRE AFFAIR (PUN NOT INTENDED) ONLY BEGAN BECAUSE THE CITY OF RENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WENT ON A MASSIVE, ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL, CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATING, AND HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT CREATING WITCHHUNT OVER A FUCKING CARTOON. THE FUCKING AROUND PROBLEMS ARE NOTHING UNLIKE ANYWHERE ELSE. BUT FOR THE CHIEF, MAYOR AND CITY ATTORNEY TO ABUSE THE LEGAL PROCESS WITH SEARCH WARRANTS AND SHREDDING PUBLIC RECORDS TO HIDE THEIR PROBLEMS..THAT IS THE FUCKING ISSUE.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FUCKING AROUND ON YOUR SPOUSE IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE INTO. IT SPEAKS TO YOUR LACK OF CHARACTER, BUT NOT ILLEGAL. BUT FUCKING ON DUTY? THAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND LYING AND STEALING AS A COP? THAT IS NOT RIGHT. TO STEAL IS A CRIME DIPSHIT, YOU CAN'T DO IT ON OR OFF DUTY. AND LYING MEANS YOU CAN'T BE TRUSTED TO BE A COP. AND QUIT FUCKING CRIMINAL SUSPECTS AND DISCLOSING THEIR CASES TO THEM. WHAT THE FUCK, OVER?
SO YEAH, I SAY LEAVE CP ALONE, PRETTY MUCH THERE ARE MORE THAN A FEW GUYS AROUND THAT THINK ABOUT FUCKING HER EVERY DAY THEY SEE HER. THAT'S RIGHT CP. WE'VE ALL FANTASIED OF BENDING YOU OVER WHEN WE SEE YOU, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY DO IT BECAUSE MOST OF US ARE FAITHFUL TO OUR WIVES, UNLIKE SOME IN THE DEPARTMENT. TAKE COMFORT THAT EVERY GUY YOU TALK TO THINKS OF YOU LIKE THIS AND THAT YOU STILL 'GOT IT'.
SO I SAY, LETS GET THIS SHIT ON THE TABLE OF HIDING THE DIRTY LAUNDRY AND GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD. EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT TO LIE ABOUT WHAT YOU DID IS WORSE THAN WHAT YOU DID. SHREDDING THE DOCUMENTS, DELETING EMAILS, AND CHANGING REPORTS. THAT SHIT IS WORSE THAN THE ABUSE OF LEGAL POWER THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND NOW, TO EVEN TRY TO COVER IT UP MORE, THERE IS LOTS OF PANSIE ASS-KISSING GOING ON WITH OFFICERS GETTING ATTABOYS LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM ALL RIGHT. TELL EVERYONE THAT EVERYTHING IS FINE AND THE PROBLEMS ARE ALL BEING TAKEN CARE OF. ALL I GOTTA SAY IS SHOW ME THE PUBLIC RECORDS. I GOT NOTHING TO HIDE BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE PISSING BLOOD DUE TO STRESS OF THEIR EMAILS AND INTERNALS GOING ONLINE. I SAY BRING IT THE FUCK ON.
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11/19/2011 3:34:56 AM
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I know this is a little off topic but I was wondering what you all thought about ticket stacking. In all my years on the force in Oregon I and others have always frowned upon this "method" of traffic enforcement. Although I'm a retired cop I never reveal this to officers if I'm stopped. This is bad form. I am respectful and cooperative. I haven't had any infractions on my record since 1983.
The reason I'm wondering is that I was pulled over a couple days ago in Marysville. I tried to beat the amber left turn light at a controlled intersection. It turned red as I entered and I completed the turn onto a street within a school zone - Middle-school. A Marysville Veteran officer pulled me over and issued 3 citations, totaling over 800 dollars. One for failure to yield to oncoming traffic, the second for failure to yield to pedestrian and a 3rd because my license was past due for renewal.
So my question is, is this customary in this State? Is the discretion rule a one way street? Do cops up here generally ignore past driving history and just whip out citations like a robot? Where I'm from it's called 'ticket stacking' and is a dishonor to the badge.
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11/19/2011 5:03:50 AM
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I'm not going to lie and say Ive never stacked tickets but I use discretion when I do it. If the person committing the infraction is an upstanding citizen with little or no driving history, I feel bad even writing them and usually give them a warning or write the citation for something cheap, like no proof of registration.
If the person is a real scumbag who shows total disregard for the law and has a history that reads like a Tom Clancy novel, I'll light his ass up. There was a drug dealer who was driving like an ass one day and I shoved 8 tickets up his ass and left feeling good. That doesn't happen often.
For you, I think that officer was a total clown.
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11/19/2011 5:19:00 AM
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It looks like we're on the same page. I also think writing cites on scofflaws is warranted since they've proven by example that they need a more firm reminder as to the laws - some guys just don't get it. I kept wondering this guy's actual reasoning for doing this. I just found out that he has been one of 3 school enforcement officers for the local middle and high schools and read an article about his positive influence and report with the kids. He seems like a very likable nice guy. Now I'm thinking this was a personal issue with him, like maybe he sees all drivers that come anywhere near his kids as a target. Just guessing but it fits.
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11/19/2011 2:22:52 PM
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SuperSoylent wrote:
I know this is a little off topic but I was wondering what you all thought about ticket stacking. In all my years on the force in Oregon I and others have always frowned upon this "method" of traffic enforcement. Although I'm a retired cop I never reveal this to officers if I'm stopped. This is bad form. I am respectful and cooperative. I haven't had any infractions on my record since 1983.
The reason I'm wondering is that I was pulled over a couple days ago in Marysville. I tried to beat the amber left turn light at a controlled intersection. It turned red as I entered and I completed the turn onto a street within a school zone - Middle-school. A Marysville Veteran officer pulled me over and issued 3 citations, totaling over 800 dollars. One for failure to yield to oncoming traffic, the second for failure to yield to pedestrian and a 3rd because my license was past due for renewal.
So my question is, is this customary in this State? Is the discretion rule a one way street? Do cops up here generally ignore past driving history and just whip out citations like a robot? Where I'm from it's called 'ticket stacking' and is a dishonor to the badge.
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It is still called ticket stacking here. Some judges don't like it when officers do it (you have to go to court for the judge to know about it happening). There are some guys here that stack tickets and get off on it. I never understood how anyone could walk away from a traffic stop leaving the driver with $1K+ in tickets without feeling empathy of what they have to struggle to pay. For many people, that's an entire paycheck. For others working two jobs, that can be two paychecks. And cops don't get tickets, just show your badge and you will be driving away. Even wives get this professional courtesy. . Yes, I said it, that happens A LOT THE TIME, even from WSP.
I know some guys that take joy in making a driver cry writing tickets. There is no need to drop a grand in tickets when 1 ticket will do. That sort of goes for drug dealers too. Give them tickets for what is reasonable, but to stack them only makes the problems you have with them worse. They will just have to deal more drugs to pay for the tickets on top of having a worse attitude toward cops.
Cops (and I mean about 99% of them, because I'm not one of those 99%) just don't see that when you give a struggling mother or father $1000 or more in tickets that is due to pay in two weeks, that they have to choose to feed their family, pay their rent, or pay their tickets. It's a choice to eat or be suspended. Or have a dry place to bed your kids or be suspended. Things like that make me want to cry more than the driver crying.
So yeah, SS, you got fucked no matter the reputation of that officer. Entering an intersection after the light turns red is not an infraction. Maybe when this officer retires and gets fucked with $1K in tickets, he will finally get it. But I doubt it, he'll probably show his retirement badge and will never know how many families were screwed over by his heavy handed tickets.
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11/19/2011 6:52:29 PM
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Remember this line of horse-shit?
http://www.rentonreporter.com/community/127639023.html
Mayor Law e-emails words of encouragement to all employees after Police Department controversy
August 12, 2011 · 8:24 PM
(EDITOR'S NOTE: The Renton Reporter asked Mayor Denis Law to share a letter he wrote to his city employees last week in which he tries to put the recent controversies in the Police Department into perspective. What he has to say to his employees also will help the community at large understand the situations better, too. Dean A. Radford)
It can be tough working for a government agency. We live in a glass house and, unlike the private sector, our dirty laundry can't be hidden in a clothes basket. We have to hang ours in the windows for everyone to see.
The current controversy surrounding internal issues within the Police Department, which is being played out in the media, is demoralizing for us all and I want to take a few moments to share some thoughts with you.
When the media points out our "dirty laundry," it's our tendency to want to blame them for just wanting to sell newspapers or airtime at our expense. Some of this is true, but we always need to remember that our actions are accountable to the public and the public chooses to use the media as a primary source of keeping its eye on us. When you add blogs and social media, there is no shortage of public scrutiny for everything we do.
It's not only embarrassing to have internal problems aired in the public, but frustrating that there doesn't seem to be the same focus on all the good work that is being done for our citizens every day of the week. Despite reduced resources, our employees continue to provide excellent service to those living and working in this community. Our parks remain clean and welcoming, and well-planned and managed special events are being enjoyed by thousands of our residents.
Our roads are maintained better than most jurisdictions in King County and the quality of our emergency services, from medical aid and fire response to emergency preparedness, continues to receive public praise. And while police departments in most cities maintain a system of merely responding to crimes and taking reports for insurance companies, our officers are developing and utilizing creative tools to address our commitment to actually reduce crime and to make people feel safer in our community. And they are making a difference.
Behind the scenes and away from the media cameras are city employees, using creativity and collaboration to improve our service to the public during challenging times. As a resident and taxpayer of this city, I appreciate all you do and I love being a resident of Renton.
We do have some management issues that need to be addressed. All of the hard work that is being done by dedicated employees is undermined by the actions of disgruntled individuals who are unconcerned that their actions hurt those they work with. It's important for you to know that the incidents depicted in the set of cartoons against quality employees were either fabricated or not true.
As much as I would like to provide all of our employees and the community with "our side of the story," in cases like this where there is an ongoing investigation and where employee discipline or criminal action may be involved, I am constrained to ensure that everyone's rights are protected as much as possible.
I believe that the greatest asset we have to offer our "customers" is our workforce. We're fortunate to have employees willing to work as a team to help identify ways to improve productivity, efficiencies and outcomes, which ultimately results in providing better service to the public.
The current controversy will pass. Thanks to your ongoing efforts, Renton continues to be viewed by our residents and business owners as a wonderful place to live and conduct business.
We live in a glass house, but behind the "dirty laundry" is a team of hard workers providing quality service every day of the week. While this might not make the evening news, it's not lost to those of us who know and appreciate what you do.
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11/19/2011 7:00:47 PM
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What I am saying is that Renton City Hall is not a glass house it is a dysfunctional house of fucking horrors where things that no responsible company would condone are conveniently ignored. Just as they were in the PD until someone spoke up about it through the voice of a God damned cartoon. If anyone thinks this fucking City gives a flying fuck about any of it's employees, other than management and only those management that toe the company line, they are naive to the extreme. This City has a HR department that no represented employee that I know trusts any longer. The abuse of City employees transcends departments and it is a way of life here at Renton City Hall. The City only cares about the City's reputation, and by that I mean the administration.
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11/19/2011 7:39:34 PM
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Speaking of disgraces to the badge
WTF?
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11/19/2011 8:10:00 PM
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"I believe that the greatest asset we have to offer our "customers" is our workforce. We're fortunate to have employees willing to work as a team to help identify ways to improve productivity, efficiencies and outcomes, which ultimately results in providing better service to the public."
The city's employees are everything you say, other than that this entire litter is pure bullshit. This fucker has nothing but contempt for the city's employees. He is either delusional or a total narcissist, there is no other explanation.
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11/19/2011 9:10:04 PM
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Mayor Law goes by a number of pseudonyms depending on the forum, but one of the best I have heard is TGD which stands for Total Cognitive Dissonance. I believe that he actually thinks he treats the City employees with respect. Nothing could be further from the truth regarding how City employees are treated under his administration. I agree with what others say about the HR office, no represented employee I know trusts them. They trust certain individuals, but that list is getting smaller and smaller. as far as trusting the office, fugettaboutit, no one trusts that office except Managment.
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11/20/2011 1:38:53 AM
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What did he mean when he said that employees rights were protected "when possible"? Does that mean that when it's not possible to do so then the employees rights are thrown out? Am I missing something here?
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11/20/2011 6:03:42 AM
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SuperSoylent wrote:
What did he mean when he said that employees rights were protected "when possible"? Does that mean that when it's not possible to do so then the employees rights are thrown out? Am I missing something here?
What he means is that if the employee is one of the favored few then they have a right to work in an environment that everyone recognizes as an environment that is consistent with what every work environment in America should have as a minimum standard. If you are a female who has been passing out party favors to Managment then you fit into that category. If you are I'm Managment and are in the City's favor you are in that category. If you are not then it is Just "not possible" to provide a workplace that is not hostile. if you are Managment and are in the city's graces, i.e. the administration likes you, then you are like a Sandusky at Penn State and your contributions to making Renton city hall a hostile work environment are buried. I have to go now but will post more from my phone on my next break if I get a chance.
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11/20/2011 10:29:03 AM
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The issues that mr fuddlesticks exposed are the issues that the mayor has managed to keep hidden from the public and are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the city's management. The city did an employee survey and as part of that process the city was made aware of things that cross way over the line into hostile work environment territory, but like Penn State the city has chosen to look the other way.
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11/20/2011 1:13:08 PM
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"We do have some management issues that need to be addressed."
So why are they not being addressed?
"All of the hard work that is being done by dedicated employees is undermined by the actions of disgruntled individuals who are unconcerned that their actions hurt those they work with."
Particularly managment and the mayor who protects them whenever a credible accusation is made.
"It's important for you to know that the incidents depicted in the set of cartoons against quality employees were either fabricated or not true."
That is a lie, they are all essentially true, the later parodies involving the mayor and chief and city attorney are perhaps not 100% accurate, but they are accurate depictions of the culture that pervades city hall. F
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11/24/2011 7:05:18 PM
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